Feminists and Porn

Lately, I’ve changed my mind about a lot of things, most of them philosophical and political. I usually don’t discuss politics much because it’s such a volatile issue (and religion is not??) One of those things I’ve been dwelling upon mightily is the debate going on in the feminist community about pornography. Some feminists are pro-porn. Others are vociferously, NOT for obvious reasons. While lurking about this morning, I came across a wonderful post on I Blame the Patriarchy about the whole issue and the hundreds of wonderful comments garnered from the post. I found it while surfing here. Which I got to when I started out reading this link about Evolution, God, and Sex. Fascinating where you can end up on a Saturday morning surf!

(Anyway, fundie men should steer clear of this post as it will greatly upset their patriarchal notions about women as useful sex objects, ala Mark Driscoll. Oh, wait, they might like that since most fundie men ARE into porn. I forgot. My bad!)

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5 thoughts on “Feminists and Porn

  1. mystoiniq

    although i dont label myself anything (and certainly not fundie), i often am on their side of the fence. but i think you make a great pt about chauvinism from their side. and its wrong.

    unfortunately, i think it derives from a lack of knowledge rather than correct knowledge. you see, all those pauline passages that seem to degrade women are completely out of context, and must be placed back in context to truly understand.

    anyway, on to the porn thing. personally, i think feminists and all other humans should be against porn because of what it does to men inside. i think most people agree that lust is wrong, if they are honest with themselves. and all the men i have spoken with (i dont often talk to girls about porn) when they are honest acknowledge that porn makes them lust. so the question really becomes lust not porn.

    there is always a gray area, however. nothing says that greek statues arent porn or penthouse is. so it is somewhat relativized to the individual person who is admiring the beauty (or lusting). however, for the majority of men, at least, i think porn tends to objectify women. therefore, most feminists ought to be against it. who knows though.

    shalom
    peter

  2. Theriomorph,
    Thank you! I’m glad you stopped by! 🙂

    I really admire your site and feminists like you. I feel, as a fairly confused feminist myself, that you can articulate that aspect of the political sphere better than I can.

  3. pbandj,
    Why do religionists always accuse others of “lack of knowledge” as if women and feminists have no education? This stance is irritating as hell and not worth arguing with. There’s far more education to be had out there than bible knowledge. Frankly, Paul’s not worth trying to make sense of anymore.

  4. Here was one of the best comments:
    Patriarchy is so insidious that it moves beneath the level of language and becomes ‘natural.’ Instead, the corrupting patriarchal subtext produces an understanding that since there is an erotic response to pornography that also must be natural. Concluding: because it’s natural, there must be nothing wrong with it. Thus, you are wrong and unnatural if you question the domination of women as a legitimate sexual turn-on.

    PB&J,
    I suppose most of the Old Testament has been taken out of context as well. You see almost all of that book consists of the subjugation of women. Women were property, to be bought and sold, and as many as a man wanted for his wives. Women slaves could be taken for sex anytime the man wanted. God even started out the whole thing supposedly with Incest, because who else did Cain marry? Think about that, God started the human race with the oppression of women right off the bat. God seems to have had situational ethics didn’t he? He has one set of low standards in the beginning and during Old Testament days, and then he finally came around, thanks to human enlightenment, to our standards of equality today. You would think a loving, just and righteous creator could have done better than that.

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