Three People You Don’t Want to Be In the Same Room

Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Bush, Dobson, and Rosenberg. All three have scary, fundamentalist, apocalyptic visions about national politics. Talk to Action has a write up that worries me quite a bit. I also happened to be listening to Dobson interview Rosenberg this morning on my local Christian radio station. Rosenberg writes “fiction” based on the bible, much like the Left Behind series of books. I read the first two books and at least Rosenberg has some talent for writing, unlike LaHaye and Jenkins, whose books I found to be painfully unreadable. What’s scary about Rosenberg, though, is that he said on Dobson’s show (I’m paraphrasing because I didn’t record it) that he was worried about God’s plan for this country because America cannot be found in the bible!! I kid you not. Why would he think America should be in the bible? Because he thinks all the other countries involved in the Middle East Crisis are in the bible: Russia, Israel, Iran, and Iraq. Dobson played a portion of a DVD that purportedly shows extremist Muslims chanting “Death to America” in particularly Nazi fervor. This is nothing new. They’ve been chanting that since America was founded. But to Dobson and Rosenberg it is URGENT that we vote Republican next year or we will all die horrible deaths when God comes sweeping in to avenge the Jews in a Third World War.

I’ve heard this apocalyptic interpretation of the bible many, many times before. As a premillenial Baptist we were constantly taught that specifically the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation spelled out the entire end time scenario for this world. There was a constant undercurrent of fearmongering in this teaching that kept everyone who heard it worried about voting, politics, world diplomacy, and everything else these apocalyptic doomsayers wanted to have done in the world. How do I know? Because I was constantly worried about it. After whipping the voting block into a frenzy week after week in the pulpit and on the radio, Dobson and those who believe in this kind of apocalypticism would urge people to vote because time was short and we didn’t want Jesus to come back finding us in a sin-ridden country such as America. To these people, Israel of course plays a HUGE role and must be protected at all costs.

After years of hearing this, I can’t help but think that this is nothing more than a ploy to garner listeners, viewers, ratings, and bestsellers. Do I think they consciously do that? Maybe not. But, I think the public is not only being condescended to, but are being used to further these men’s earthly kingdoms at the expense of our peace.

My question to them is. If God is so in control of world politics, then what difference does it make who’s in office?


16 thoughts on “Three People You Don’t Want to Be In the Same Room

  1. I was into the whole Rapture/Revelations/Tribulation theories too in my much younger years. Remember Hal Lindsay the guy in the 70s who really got it going? Just for kicks, I googled The New Order, and I think it is funny how many websites there are devoted to conspiracy theroies (Oh, if ONLY we were that organized, and people could keep their mouths shut), but everyone thinks that someone else is behind it. And yet, it is the same culprits every time… The Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, Yale Skull and Bones, Bilderberger, etc. It is all very interesting though, once you don’t take it seriously and just stand back and observe. I don’t think anything is going to happen the way anyone thinks it will. I don’t know how things will happen, but it will be a surprise to everyone. It does feel like something is in the air, and it is not just Chrsitians who feel that way. How interesting is it that the Mayan Calendar ends Dec 21, 2012? AND it ends at a particularly interesting astonomical event. The Sun will be directly aligned with the Milky Way. And it supposedly marks the end of an earth’s wobble cycle, and the earth’s magnetic poles are said to be switching. Apparently all the planets are being affected by solar flare events.

    I don’t think anyone has it right, but don’t you find it so interesting that 4,0000 years have passed and it really is down to Ishmael (“He will always be a wild ass of a man, his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him”) and Isaac fighting over the inheritence of Abraham?

    But regardless, I will be voting Republican… I’m sorry, i’m just not into the Socialist agenda. ๐Ÿ™‚

  2. **As a premillenial Baptist we were constantly taught that specifically the books of Daniel, Ezekiel, and Revelation spelled out the entire end time scenario for this world. ** I’ve always found this viewpoint fascinating. I’m not as familiar with Ezekiel and Daniel, but Revelation has so much non-straightfoward events in it.

    Plus, given that Jesus surprised everyone by being the Messiah, it always … well, amuses me, that many are so sure of what the Second Coming will be like.

  3. I think they worry (I’m following you here, ex-Baptist myself); because they fear God’s wrath and judgment. I think they believe that if “they” themselves don’t preach the message loud and clear that God will not only judge the unbelievers harshly but them (believers like Dobson and such) as well.

    What you said here MOI: “But to Dobson and Rosenberg it is URGENT that we vote out Republican next year or we will all die horrible deaths when God comes sweeping in to avenge the Jews in a Third World War.”

    What is meant by “vote out Republican”? Not sure I’m following this. Do you mean they want people to get out and vote Republican? Or do you mean they want people to vote out, that is, not vote Republican?

    And I agree, there just never seems to be peace. Always in the fight or flight mode aren’t they.

  4. tobeme,
    It is crazy. And what’s crazier is that people believe it without reading the bible IN CONTEXT for themselves. If they did they would discover the same old fundamentalist proof texting.

  5. Heather,
    I found the view fascinating myself and used to read everything I could about it. But believe it or not, it was good old Matthew Henry’s commentary that disabused me of the doctrine. I studied all the proof texts about the view and read all of Henry’s commentary on the texts and was pretty much convinced that the view was wrong.

    Jesus was always surprising everyone and, you’re right, the Second Coming will also not happen in the way some think, I think.

  6. Rebecca.

    Oops, my error. I was going to say “vote out Democrats” and changed it to “vote Republican” without taking out the “out.” ๐Ÿ™‚ They want us all to vote Republican because ONLY THEN will we be saved from what’s to come. The logic behind this is laughable. We now have a new “gospel” in which Republicans + Jesus now saves us.

    It’s true about the judgment thing. Premillenialists fervently wish for the Second Coming and the Pre-trib Rapture so they can prove once and for all that they were right. I can just see them waving by-by on the way up with a great big “I told you so.” ๐Ÿ™‚

  7. Robin,

    Yes, all the conspiracy theories are a little nuts. If the bible got one thing right it’s the animosity between Ishmael’s seed and Isaac’s. Boy did it get THAT right. Fighting even then. ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. I’ve always kinda wondered what would happen to all the eschatologies if a huge meteor were going to smash into earth. They’d (fundies) probably find some way to say the Bible predicted it. Uggh…(sigh). I can’t remember who wrote this, but I agree with him:

    This is the way the world will end
    This is the way the world will end
    This is the way the world will end
    Not with a bang, but a whimper

  9. Ah, Bible prophecies. I have heard them all too. Have you guys ever looked into the Bible prophecies which were never fulfilled? What does the book say to do to a false prophet?

    And then of course there are the supposed prophecies about Christ which were not really even prophecies at all. Matthew even talks about a fulfilled prophecy concerning Judas and the 30 pieces of silver, in which he quotes the supposed prophecy as being in the book of Jeremiah, and when you do find it in the correct OT book, (Zechariah), it is not even a prophecy at all.

    So, does it worry me that the USA is not ever mentioned in prophecy at all, NA!
    It does worry me that people can take this stuff so seriously.

  10. Say, I don’t even necessarily think the world will end, I’m thinking it is the end of an age. I’ve been leaning towards thinking that this is not the first iteration of existence for this earth. In Genesis when it says “in the Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth” according to Rotherham, in the footnotes he says there is an inference of it not being a creation out of nothing, but a recreation of something that was already here but had been destroyed and was in a state of chaos.

  11. Noogatiger,

    I recently read a web site about that very prophecy. I had never heard of that before and was fascinated. Apparently, Matthew was WRONG!!! Imagine! God did not correct something that was in the bible!! What else did God not correct?

    Yes, I don’t think any President should be meeting with those jokers.

  12. NOI,

    I just read the “Talk to Action” article and it scares me. How can the President discuss world politics with a bunch of Christian Right leaders-the kind of politics that can have global implications? These leaders have the President’s ear and that can spell trouble for any dialogue we can have with Iran.

    And regarding Joel Rosenberg’s whine about the US not eing in Scripture? Well, duh! The US did not exist in Bible times. The nations mentioned in “prophecy” were already in existence during those ancient days (I’m excluding Revelation which was off-beat to begin with). It’s people like this that give Christianity a bad name.

    God have mercy on us all.


    PS: Thanks for stopping by my blog!

  13. Hi Dangerous,
    Yes, I’m worried about Iran myself, but, hopefully in the next election we won’t get an evangelical president. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, if religion is kept to themselves, but mixing religion with politics never works. History can attest to that. Thanks for the thoughts. ๐Ÿ™‚

  14. Q: If God is so in control of world politics, then what difference does it make whoโ€™s in office?

    A: None.

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